Syntonic comma

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Just perfect fifth on D About this sound Play . The perfect fifth above D (A+) is a syntonic comma higher than the just major sixth (ATemplate:Music).[1]
3-limit 9:8 major tone About this sound Play .
5-limit 10:9 minor tone About this sound Play .

In music theory, the syntonic comma, also known as the chromatic diesis, the comma of Didymus, the Ptolemaic comma, or the diatonic comma[2] is a small comma type interval between two musical notes, equal to the frequency ratio 81:80, or around 21.51 cents. Two notes that differ by this interval would sound different from each other even to untrained ears,[3] but would be close enough that they would be more likely interpreted as out-of-tune versions of the same note than as different notes. The comma is referred to as a "comma of Didymus" because it is the amount by which Didymus corrected the Pythagorean major third (81:64 or 407.82 cents)[4] to a just major third (386.31 cents or 5:4).


The syntonic comma can be defined as:

  • The difference in size between a Pythagorean ditone (frequency ratio 81:64, or about 407.82 cents) and a just major third (5:4, or about 386.31 cents). Namely, 81:64 ÷ 5:4 = 81:80.
  • The difference between four justly tuned perfect fifths, and two octaves plus a justly tuned major third. A just perfect fifth has a size of about 701.96 cents (3:2), and four of them are equal to about 2807.82 cents (81:16). A just major third has a size of about 386.31 cents (5:4), and one of them plus two octaves (2400 cents, or 4:1) is equal to about 2786.31 cents (5:1). The difference between these is the syntonic comma. Namely, 81:16 ÷ 5:1 = 81:80.
  • The difference between one octave plus a justly tuned minor third (12:5 or 1515.64 cents), and three justly tuned perfect fourths (64:27 or 1494.13 cents. Namely, 12:5 ÷ 64:27 = 81:80.
  • The difference between the two kinds of major second which occur in 5-limit tuning: major tone (9:8, or 203.91 cents) and minor tone (10:9 or 182.40 cents). Namely, 9:8 ÷ 10:9 = 81:80.[4]
  • The difference between a Pythagorean major sixth (27:16 or 905.87 cents) and a justly tuned or "pure" major sixth (5:3 or 884.36 cents). Namely, 27:16 ÷ 5:3 = 81:80.[4]

On a piano keyboard (typically tuned with 12-tone equal temperament) a stack of four fifths (700 * 4 = 2800 cents) is exactly equal to two octaves (1200 * 2 = 2400 cents) plus a major third (400 cents). In other words, starting from a C, both combinations of intervals will end up at E. Using justly tuned octaves (2:1), fifths (3:2), and thirds (5:4), however, yields two slightly different notes. The ratio between their frequencies, as explained above, is a syntonic comma (81:80). Pythagorean tuning uses justly tuned fifths (3:2) as well, but uses the relatively complex ratio of 81:64 for major thirds. Quarter-comma meantone uses justly tuned major thirds (5:4), but flattens each of the fifths by a quarter of a syntonic comma, relative to their just size (3:2). Other systems use different compromises. This is one of the reasons why 12-tone equal temperament is currently the preferred system for tuning most musical instruments.

Mathematically, by Størmer's theorem, 81:80 is the closest superparticular ratio possible with regular numbers as numerator and denominator. A superparticular ratio is one whose numerator is 1 greater than its denominator, such as 5:4, and a regular number is one whose prime factors are limited to 2, 3, and 5. Thus, although smaller intervals can be described within 5-limit tunings, they cannot be described as superparticular ratios.

Another frequently encountered comma is the Pythagorean comma.

Syntonic comma in the history of music

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The syntonic comma has a crucial role in the history of music. It is the amount by which some of the notes produced in Pythagorean tuning were flattened or sharpened to produce just minor and major thirds. In Pythagorean tuning, the only highly consonant intervals were the perfect fifth and its inversion, the perfect fourth. The Pythagorean major third (81:64) and minor third (32:27) were dissonant, and this prevented musicians from using triads and chords, forcing them for centuries to write music with relatively simple texture. In late Middle Ages, musicians realized that by slightly tempering the pitch of some notes, the Pythagorean thirds could be made consonant. For instance, if you decrease by a syntonic comma (81:80) the frequency of E, C-E (a major third), and E-G (a minor third) become just. Namely, C-E is flattened to a justly intonated ratio of

and at the same time E-G is sharpened to the just ratio of

The drawback is that the fifths A-E and E-B, by flattening E, become almost as dissonant as the Pythagorean wolf fifth. But the fifth C-G stays consonant, since only E has been flattened (C-E * E-G = 5/4 * 6/5 = 3/2), and can be used together with C-E to produce a C-major triad (C-E-G). These experiments eventually brought to the creation of a new tuning system, known as quarter-comma meantone, in which the number of major thirds was maximized, and most minor thirds were tuned to a ratio which was very close to the just 6:5. This result was obtained by flattening each fifth by a quarter of a syntonic comma, an amount which was considered negligible, and permitted the full development of music with complex texture, such as polyphonic music, or melody with instrumental accompaniment. Since then, other tuning systems were developed, and the syntonic comma was used as a reference value to temper the perfect fifths in an entire family of them. Namely, in the family belonging to the syntonic temperament continuum, including meantone temperaments.

Comma pump

Giovanni Benedetti's 1563 example of a comma "pump" or drift by a comma during a progression.[5] About this sound Play  Common tones between chords are the same pitch, with the other notes tuned in pure intervals to the common tones. About this sound Play first and last chords 

The syntonic comma arises in "comma pump" (comma drift) sequences such as C G D A E C, when each interval from one note to the next is played with just intonation tuning. If you use the frequency ratio 3/2 for the perfect fifths (C-G and D-A), 3/4 for the descending perfect fourths (G-D and A-E), and 4/5 for the descending major third (E-C), then the sequence of intervals from one note to the next in that sequence goes 3/2, 3/4, 3/2, 3/4, 4/5. These multiply together to give

which is the syntonic comma (you multiply ratios when you stack musical intervals like that).

So in that sequence, the second C is sharper than the first C by a syntonic comma About this sound Play . That sequence, or any transposition of it, is known as the comma pump. If a line of music follows that sequence, and if each of the intervals between adjacent notes is justly tuned, then every time you go around the sequence the pitch of the piece rises by a syntonic comma (about a fifth of a semitone).

Study of the comma pump dates back at least to the sixteenth century when the Italian scientist Giovanni Benedetti composed a piece of music to illustrate syntonic comma drift.[5]

Note that a descending perfect fourth (3/4) is the same as a descending octave (1/2) followed by an ascending perfect fifth (3/2). Namely, (3/4)=(1/2)*(3/2). Similarly, a descending major third (4/5) is the same as a descending octave (1/2) followed by an ascending minor sixth (8/5). Namely, (4/5)=(1/2)*(8/5). Therefore, the above mentioned sequence is equivalent to:

or, by grouping together similar intervals,

This means that, if all intervals are justly tuned, a syntonic comma can be obtained with a stack of four perfect fifths plus one minor sixth, followed by three descending octaves (in other words, four P5 plus one m6 minus three P8).


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Moritz Hauptmann developed a method of notation used by Hermann von Helmholtz. Based on Pythagorean tuning, subscript numbers are then added to indicate the number of syntonic commas to lower a note by. Thus a Pythagorean scale is C D E F G A B, while a just scale is C D E1 F G A1 B1. Carl Eitz developed a similar system used by J. Murray Barbour. Superscript positive and negative numbers are added, indicating the number of syntonic commas to raise or lower from Pythagorean tuning. Thus a Pythagorean scale is C D E F G A B, while the 5-limit Ptolemaic scale is C D E−1 F G A−1 B−1.

In Helmholtz-Ellis notation, a syntonic comma is indicated with up and down arrows added to the traditional accidentals. Thus a Pythagorean scale is C D E F G A B, while the 5-limit Ptolemaic scale is C D EHE syntonic comma - natural down.png F G A HE syntonic comma - natural down.png BHE syntonic comma - natural down.png.

Composer Ben Johnston uses a "−" as an accidental to indicate a note is lowered 21.51 cents, or a "+" to indicate a note is raised 21.51 cents.[1] Thus a Pythagorean scale is C D E+ F G A+ B+, while the 5-limit Ptolemaic scale is C D E F G A B.

5-limit just Pythagorean
HE C D EHE syntonic comma - natural down.png F G A HE syntonic comma - natural down.png BHE syntonic comma - natural down.png C D E F G A B
Johnston C D E F G A B C D E+ F G A+ B+

See also


  1. 1.0 1.1 John Fonville. "Ben Johnston's Extended Just Intonation- A Guide for Interpreters", p.109, Perspectives of New Music, Vol. 29, No. 2 (Summer, 1991), pp. 106-137. and Johnston, Ben and Gilmore, Bob (2006). "A Notation System for Extended Just Intonation" (2003), "Maximum clarity" and Other Writings on Music, p.78. ISBN 978-0-252-03098-7.
  2. Johnston B. (2006). "Maximum Clarity" and Other Writings on Music, edited by Bob Gilmore. Urbana: University of Illinois Press. ISBN 0-252-03098-2.
  3. "Sol-Fa - The Key to Temperament", BBC.
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 Llewelyn Southworth Lloyd (1937). Music and Sound, p.12. ISBN 0-8369-5188-3.
  5. 5.0 5.1 {{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation |CitationClass=citation }}, art. #0821208.

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