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Horizon problem

Hi this is Floorsheim. Thanks for taking a look at the horizon problem article I wrote. A couple of issues: I think it would be better to have causal contact be the link rather than causal seeing as I would think most readers would be familiar with the meaning of the word causal while more would need clarification on causal contact. Originally, I wrote an entire article about causal contact for that purpose. But then I decided it was too short and merged it with Causality (physics).

Also, we don't observe the plasma that generated the cosmic microwave background (13 billion years ago). We observe the cosmic microwave background. The plasma itself is long gone. Maybe there's a way to make that more clear.

As far as the edit, the figure is accurate, but I agree would be more descriptive for this article.


Floorsheim 01:45, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Agreed. Done. Sorry for the plasma... I didn't noticed that I have (wrongly) changed the meaning of the phrase. I thank you! --Nabla 02:53, 2004 Aug 15 (UTC)

Flesh Fetish

Ei!!! Eu só uso isto desde ontem, porquê envergonhares-te de mim? E quanto aos Flesh Fetish, não são nenhuma banda de garagem. Se quiseres tirar dúvidas, vai ao soulseek, adiciona-me ( guesserit ) e faz o download. - User:Kafaka

Eu não me envergonho de ti, não te conheço, e como dizes acabaste de chegar. Tal como eu que conheci isto apenas à 2 semanas.
Fico triste pela atitude de alguns portugueses, infelizmente não poucos, que usam espaços livres, como a internet de forma abusiva. Já à algum tempo que não frequento newsgroups mas quando por lá andava a diferença entre, por exexmplo, os grupos estrangeiros como o aus.mathematics e o pt.ciencia (ou lá como se chama) é gritante. Num discute-se matemática, ajuda-se e é-se ajudado, o spam é mínimo. No outro divulgam-se sites pornográficos, vendem-se códigos de cartões de telemóvel, cartões falsos para a TVCabo, e nada de útil.
Aquela minha frase terá sido infeliz e talvez tenha feito "pagar o justo pelo pecador". Vou apagá-la. Ainda que tenha acertado em que duas das tuas intervenções foram completamente desenquadrado do contexto de uma enciclopédia: Um artigo sobre um sonho teu e uma referência ao teu sonho no artigo sobre o local onde ele se passou.
Não duvido que sejas perfeitamente capaz de entender que tenho (pelo menos) alguma razão.
Boas futuras [e|a]dicções e boa sorte na tua busca.--Nabla 14:24, 2004 Aug 18 (UTC)

WikiProject Science

Hey, thanks for your contribution to the WikiProject Science. I'm now back from holidays, and I'm pleased to see your many contributions. Soon, I'll start writing some missing todo lists for the articles you found needing improvements: I think it's a great way to help attract new WikiProject members. Feel free to do so too ! Thanks again. Pcarbonn 16:54, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

  • I thank you. I don't know how much time I'll be able to spend here. I've spent a lot this month but I will not be unemployed indefenitely, hopefuly just a few more days as I'm having an intervew tomorrow... But I think I'll keep helping around for a long time.--Nabla 19:08, 2004 Aug 29 (UTC)
I wish you good luck tomorrow ! I can surely understand that you find your job more important than WikiProject Science... Pcarbonn 19:57, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:


Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

I've been away from WP for a long while, so sorry for the delay on answering. I'll stay with GFDL only.--Nabla 02:11, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC)


Hi Nabla - I've just removed the icon you added to {{UK-geo-stub}}. The reason is that a lot of the icons were removed from heavy use templates because of server proplems (see [[1]] for details). Prior to that time, all stub templates already had perfectly reasonable icons (many of which had been agreed on after long discussion (if you look at the top of the lists of stub icons, you'll see that it says not to change icons without consulting the stub-sorting wikiproject firrst). Since the server problem emerged, the only icons used on stub templates are either on low-use cateories or when the icons add more information about the categories (like on the five African regional geography stubs). Grutness|hello? Grutness.jpg 01:27, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry for the inconvenience. I try to keep up to date with what's going on but there's a lot going on... and I've been away for a while. Thanks for the info.--Nabla 01:34, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
PS: Forgive me but... maybe you should help by removing the image from your signature.--Nabla 01:37, 2005 May 2 (UTC)

Fair comment. My one problem with it is that it is my signature, much more so than the word Grutness, or even my real name. The horse is how I sign my name when I'm painting or writing, and it would feel wrong not to sign my name with it here, too. Grutness|hello? Grutness.jpg 08:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Tom Campbell Black

Hi Nabla, I noticed that you tagged this article as a copyvio. I had recently cleared this article for copyright violations based on the author granting permission on the talk page. Since the original author was the person who posted the article at wikipedia, he releases it per the GFDL.

If you were unaware that the original author has granted permission, then the copyvio tag should be removed.

If you disagree with my clearing of the earlier copyvio, then I'll step aside and let another admin evaluate it this time.

Either way, let me know.

thanks--Duk 03:17, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of the permission and I guess we can accept it in good faith. I usually look at the article's history but looks like I missed it this time. I've reverted my copyvio notice and did a little wikifying so that it doesn't look like a copyvio for the next person dropping by from cleanup.
Shall I de-list it from Copyright problems? Or will you? --Nabla 19:11, 2005 May 16 (UTC)
I struck it out at Copyright problems.--Duk 20:21, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
OK. Thanks.--Nabla 21:07, 2005 May 16 (UTC)

+P (and +P+)

(Just for my future reference: this is related to Heckler_and_Koch_P2000)

Since cartridges are made to specifications which include gas pressures that are tolerant for a given firearm, when you create a "load" for said cartridge (that is, put more powder in it than is strictly tolerated) which is "hot" (higher velocity), you indicate such with +P, or +P+, which is incrementally (although not strictly defined) more "Powerful". Many handgun cartridges have this designation, referred to as "45 ACP +P+" (pronounced plus p plus), and so on. I have not seen it offered on rifle cartridges. Avriette July 9, 2005 05:43 (UTC)

Someone that reads comments! Great. Thanks for the explanation.
Is there any article explaining this? If not, I think it would be a useful one. Maybe you'd like to rewrite your text above and do it. I could do it but I'd probably just make a very poor stub, since I don't know anything about it. Nabla 19:33:37, 2005-07-09 (UTC)
Uhm, I haven't come across any articles on the subject, and I pretty much "watch" all the firearms articles. I'm not opposed to writing the article (stub article) on the subject, but I have a couple concerns. Primarily, that if I get the information wrong, people could get hurt. We're talking about controlled explosives, and every year people are maimed by guns which have been loaded too hot. There are lots of texts on the subject of "hand loading" ammunition, but I haven't got any since I don't actually do it myself. What do you envision the article being titled? "+P" is a poor title. "Cartridge loading" might be better, I guess... but it would probably require going through and finding the various pages which contain that phrase, and linking them accordingly. I suppose I could just download the sql and try that myself. Thoughts? (on second glance, Handloading exists, and could be expanded or something. That would be suboptimal, however, since manufacturers aren't really handloaders, and they produce +P rounds as well. Avriette 19:50, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
I'm afraid I can't help much. I stumbled on that article comming from 'cleanup', I don't know the least thing about weapons, other from the more or less obvious and what I can derive from some physics knowledge.
On dangers: IMO the artcle (as any other in WP) should not be about how to make'em but about what they are. That would surely include a superficial description of the how to (it is done by adding/removing this and/or that...) but without too much detailed information. And there must be a BIG warning on the dangers, preferably with some data (x people die every year in the XXcountry because of accidents due to this...). Take a look at Nitroglycerin#Preparation. It possibly goes too far on the info... but it has a warning. What do you think of its style?
Using Handloading might be a good placeholder, mostly if you think the article is bound to short "forever". If "Cartridge loading" sounds better to you... go ahead! I'll help hunting down the links to add, its one of my "time wasters" at WP anyway. "+P" is impossible due to technical limitations but a "plusP" redirect to "Cartridge loading" (or whartever) could be handy too. Nabla 17:24, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Suggested merge of Immortel(Ad Vitam) and La Foire aux immortels.

I wouldn't merge those 2 articles, it may look like the same content. But in fact it isn't, Immortals is indeed the movie version of a graphic novel. But the story is alter much, some parts are left out and in the movie the story takes place in New York and the book version takes place in Paris. I would rather prefer that the Immortals article makes this very clear(read a big article). Also I suppose that there are multiple examples to find on wikipedia where there is an article on a book and an article on the movie based on the book. And in this context the merge doesn't same to right to me. --Goanookie 11:21, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I understand thay are different, as you said: a book and a movie. My point was, and still is, that both are short articles, so the movie article could be included into the book article. But go ahead and remove the tags, mostly if you feel that at least one of the articles has some growth potential. That's why I tagged them instead of merging myself, in the hope that someone who knows the subject made that decision.
And I'll try to explain my reasoning on talk pages more often... as a start I'll copy this to the movie article talk page. - Nabla 18:41:59, 2005-07-12 (UTC)

Somerset v Leicestershire 8-11 July 2005 - cleanup-importance tags

Hi, you put a little tag on an article that I just wrote, and I'd just like to explain why the article looks so out of context on its own. First of all, this is a descriptive account of a top-level cricket match in England - it's not stand-alone as such, it's part of a grand project on the 2005 English cricket season. The thing we're doing with these small articles is that we're including its contents (by a method known as "transclusion" - it's the method used to put templates into articles) in every article which has something to do with the match - in this case: Somerset County Cricket Club in 2005, Leicestershire County Cricket Club in 2005, Frizzell County Championship Division Two in 2005 and 2005 English cricket season (1-16 July). The trouble with starting to explain the significance of every single match in the match article is that the significance becomes very obvious from the context of the articles it is in, so it becomes tedious and unnecessary to read on the pages it's included in.

At the same time, I can see the problem of having an article like this in the main namespace where people can stumble upon it using Random page, but the article has to be in the main namespace so that Wikipedia mirrors can pick it up. It's a tricky issue and one which has debated many times before, and there's been a decision (by the editors, mainly) to leave the organisation debate until the end of the season, which is in September some time. So could you please remove the tag for the time being? Sam Vimes 18:45, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

I was mostly aware of what you are saying as I did followed links, 'what links here', and categories. My point is: do individual matches belong here, in a encyclopedia? Even a virtually infinite one as WP? I know nothing about cricket, so I'll use football as an example... Do we want every match on every top level league in every country? That's about 300 matches per country per year! I dare not to say it is impossible, your work on cricket matches proves it isn't, and I can see that the articles are well written and with good layout. I only sincerely doubt the importance of having every single match in an encyclopedia. Anyway, I'll remove the tag for now, until I think it over better. Nabla 00:18, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Thamks. Btw, there has already been a vote for deletion on similar pages, and that ended up with an extremely weak keep (16 votes for keep out of 31). Personally, I agree that each match in itself has little encyclopedic importance, but I think that the merged recaps of each tournament do have some significance - and because of the current style of writing (which I'm not terribly fond of myself, but another editor likes it very much, as he invented it). I'm afraid I'll have to quote a cricket example again - Wisden Cricketer's Almanack, an annual reference book - contains match reports on the entire English season, along with statistics, and that sells rather well despite a high price. There might be a similar "yearbook" on Portuguese football. IMO WP should be as detailed in its sports coverage as it is in its Simpsons coverage, for example. We aren't paper, after all. Sam Vimes 07:15, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
(I think/hope) I understand. And I agree with you.
As a general concept I think WP should aim to an 'evenly spread coverage' (very loose definition in my mind so far...). But since its growth is biderectional, both 'bottom-up' and 'top-down', its quite hard to understand if some of the "bottom" material will end up having a good connection with the "top" one. As I said... I have not a clear idea. Yet.
WP should be as detailed in its sports coverage as it is in its Simpsons coverage, for example - Right. That's why I also tend to disagree on having articles on every Simpsons (or others) episode.
Well... let's let it rest for a while. It went to the bottom of my 'list of things I'll look up some day'. And that's a big list... Nabla 17:00, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Lists Policy Proposal

Thanks for suggesting I send that policy I mentioned in the "List of songs with lists in the lyrics" VFD over to the WP:Lists talk page. I went ahead and did that. The Literate Engineer 12:59, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

I had already noticed but thanks for reminding me. I'll say something there soon. - Nabla 17:32, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


WikiThanks.png Thank you for stubbing my article on the War of the Oaken Bucket. Eu não posso escrever em Português! Take care, Horatii/Dbraceyrules 16:06, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome! (Portuguese: De nada!) Nabla 17:50, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Language tags

Você pode pôr isso na pagina do usuário. Okay that probably wasn't right... I've been trying to learn Portugues for a few months (I already speak Spanish, but I find Portuguese way harder). But you could put these language tags on your user page if you want to:

Eu não posso escrever em Português! Take care again, Horatii/Dbraceyrules 16:13, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

No problem. I was wondering whether I should use them or not. I guess they can be usefull so I will. (tags moved from here to the main page)
And yet another 'translation': Tudo bem. Eu andava a pensar se as deveria usar ou não. Julgo que podem ser úteis portanto vou usar. (etiquetas movidas daqui para a página principal). Nabla 17:50, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

The bible

Firstly let me say that I am sorry to have to bother you.

Secondly, I wish to let you know that a recent VFD that you took part in has closed. The result was that 32 people voted to keep all individual bible verses as seperate articles, and 34 voted that they shouldn't (2 abstensions, and 3 votes for both). This is considered by standard policy not to be a consensus decision (although the closing admin stated that it was a consensus to keep them).

Thirdly, the subject has now been put to a survey, so that it may remain open until there is a clear consensus for what appears to be a difficult issue to resolve. You may wish to take part in this survey, and record a similar vote to the one you made at the VFD there. The survey is available at Wikipedia:Bible verses.

~~~~ 18:38, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

1)No problem.
2)That was an overwhelming majority vote not to delete the articles. That's all VfD is about isn't it? So from its point of view the decision was in fact to keep. Merged or not is another issue.
3)Thanks for calling my attention to that. I'm giving it a though and I'll write there soon.
Nabla 15:08, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!


Here's a WikiThanks. I think you deserve it. --εγώ-Talk Page 19:20, 12 August 2005 (UTC) 19:08, 12 August 2005 (UTC) 19:16, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Wow! I do?? I thank you! Nabla 22:28:22, 2005-08-09 (UTC)

Merge to of Ray Buttigieg/Cykx

Pertaining to [merge to] page of Ray Buttigieg/Cykx I was told to contact you. I need to contribute to the page and I feel that this page should stand on its own, the merge to was posted awhile ago and as of today I do not think it applies. Could you please check it out again and let me know what needs to be done so that I could proceed with my research work. Thank you very much and keep the good work.

Cheers. Tafal2525 (using, 2005-08-21 17:15:37)

Hi! Sorry for not having written down on Talk:Ray Buttigieg my reasoning for the merge suggestion. I'll do so right now, so please take a look there.
I changed the heading, added your IP and message date, I hope you don't mind that, its simply that I like my talk page to keep some (mine...) standard formating :-) Nabla 15:17:46, 2005-08-27 (UTC)


AFD Bot is a change over from VFD Bot, to follow all the naming consistancy across the board. --AllyUnion (talk) 02:32, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

I understood so. (More on VfD talk from few days ago.) Nabla 14:03:38, 2005-09-08 (UTC)


A proposal has been made at Wikipedia:Requested moves to move TLAs from AAA to DZZ and other related pages to Wikipedia namespace. Please visit Talk:TLAs from AAA to DZZ for the related discussion. -- Francs2000 | Talk 00:33, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I was just thinking about doing that proposal, following my Afd vote. Nabla 01:00, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Atonic pupil after cataract surgery

Hi -- thanks for the heads-up on this. The article on the temp page also looked like a clear copyvio from the previously stated source, so since there's been no claim of permission or ownership I've deleted that too. Best wishes, --Ngb ?!? 01:13, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Lists of songs

I am writing because you contributed to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/Lists of songs. I have made a policy proposal at User:Wahoofive/Lists of songs and would welcome your comments. —Wahoofive (talk) 03:43, 27 September 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for your helpful suggestion regarding my request for comment. HistoryBA 01:48, 3 October 2005 (UTC)


Congratulations, you're and admin! Please read the advice. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 17:48, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. And thanks for the advice. I've read it some time ago but it is indeed a good time to remember it. Nabla 19:24, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
Congrats! Dlyons493 Talk 22:29, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Popups tool

Congratulations on being made an admin! I thought you might like to know of a javascript tool that may help in your editing by giving easy access to many admin features. It's described at [[User:Lupin/navpopups]]. The quick version of the installation procedure for admins is to paste the following into User:Nabla/Archive 1/monobook.js:

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Thanks for letting me know of that, I've never eared of it before! May be useful so I'll take a look at that... someday. For now I want to get used to the 'standard' software. Nabla 13:12, 10 October 2005 (UTC)


Hi, I reverted a couple of your changes to Bassoon. The view detail link was added because people kept requesting a detailed image of the keywork, not realizing the one image is large enough to see all detail. The breaks are needed because the images are tall and on wide browsers they tend to spill across sections. I noticed the bassoon article on the Portuguese Wikipedia is blank, you might want to translate a little of the article, and move the images and media over. --Gmaxwell 19:21, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't like both the 'view detail' link and the break tags as they are fixes that in the long run may do more harm than good. Anyway its a detail and I'll let go as is, after presenting my reasoning.
'View detail': When a user click the image (s)he already gets a "Download high resolution version (2000x4575, 790 KB)". A quick link as yours may encourage lazy users to stay lazy and unskilled ones to stay unskilled. I think the worst is that is removes the file size message which will make users using a narrow-band connection download a large image (a 2 minute download using a 64Kbits dial-up) without warning.
'Breaks': I'm not sure about this one, since I never really thought about it, but maybe images should not be allowed to span across sections. What do you think of that? I would say that if you agree that it should be a general feature than it is probably a bad idea to hide the undesirable effects of not having it.
'Translating': Really? Not even a stub on pt:? That's a shame. Still if I start translating every good article here that is missing there... I'll have a work to last a lifetime :-) Not on my immediate goals but maybe one of these days I'll do that missing stub. Nabla 13:35, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Links to (disambiguation) pages

Hello, Nabla. This page is currently of AfD. No one there is sure about it's purpose. I saw that you have edited it many times and thought you might be able to tell us what it's for and if it is still useful. Thanks -- Kjkolb 08:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

OK. Nabla 20:17, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Hillhead High School

Hi Nabla,

I was wondering if you put in Hillhead High School into Wikipedia:Cleanup on the day that you put {{cleanup}}; because if you did someone has removed it. But it's OK becuase I have added it back in again. - Kilo-Lima 12:57, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Articles For Deletion

Hi, a while ago you made some comments about the presence of bible-verse articles, and/or source texts of the bible, and you may therefore be interested in related new discussions:

--Victim of signature fascism | Don't forget to vote in the Wikipedia Arbitration Committee elections 18:13, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Orphaned Articles

Hi, I found you established subpages for this in July 2005. At the central page, it reads, that those lists date from June 2004. Please look at the entry that I made at User_talk:Erik_Zachte#Wikipedia:Orphaned_articles. --KaPe 17:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Date links

Since you have taken an interest in links. Please be kind enough to vote for my new bot application to reduce overlinking of dates where they are not part of date preferences. bobblewik 20:30, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Image tags

Hi, I noticed some of your uploads show up as untagged on this tool. Looking closer it seems to be because the license template was substed on the image page. It's not rely a good idea to subst these tags, so it would be nice if you could go though them when you have the time and fix it up (not a huge problem with these old tags, the new one just plain break when you subst them though but at least it would weed out some false positives on the untagged image tool). Thanks. --Sherool (talk) 16:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Translation of Gutta ex Swedish & ex German

Hi - do you still want this done? I note that Gutta now appears in the English edition of Wikipedia and it looks OK - however, I shall probably edit it to include some pharmacological connotations. Best wishes Ballista 22:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

occult, not magic

this is an occult-stub, not magic-stub... magic in this context is Magic (illusion) User:Pedant 04:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

AFD discussion on a list of songs

You contributed to the discussion when this subject came up at Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/Lists of songs. Please contribute to the AFD discussion. Uncle G 15:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Not here

I was not her for a long time. So someone splashed this at the top, and very well done it was:

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This user may have left Wikipedia

Nabla has not edited Wikipedia using this account since October 15, 2005. As a result any requests made here may not be responded to. If you are seeking the assistance of this user on this page, you may need to approach someone else.

An interesting side effect was... that, given that I always kept occasionally looking here it kind of "helped" me to get back!